Gnostic Christian Bishop

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  1. Me thinks you are correct and I see that my last question will not be answered as I think he ran away. They do that when they cannot justify their beliefs. Regards DL
  2. Who would you say is more likely to ask for or use of substitutionary punishment, which is the punishment of the innocent instead of the guilty? Satan or God? Regards DL
  3. True. Anyone with Jesus in mind would reject substitutionary atonement but you are not in tune with your Christ mind. You seek without when Jesus tell you to look within. John 6 ; 63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. You might think you talk a moral line but you are demonstrably not doing so. Regards DL
  4. Freedom from pathetic religionists who have gone into intellectual and moral dissonance. Bottom line. Regards DL
  5. Faith based garbage. Regards DL
  6. Then he is a fool. So now your God fathers sheep. I will be back when we can chat without you putting so much garbage out here. Regards DL
  7. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason] Put your moral sense in gear and recognize that you are not doing unto others with your position and ignoring one of Jesus' greatest commandment. Religion is supposed to be all about your moral sense and here you are taking the satanic position of trying to profit from the murder of an innocent man. Regards DL How disgusting. A shepherd who cares so little for his family that he will die for a sheep instead of thinking of the hardship he will put his family and the rest of the flock in. A moral man would let that sheep go and remain to care for his family. Stop using stupid sound bites without thinking of what you are really following. Regards DL No argument against this for sure. Even though I am a religionist, a Gnostic Christian, I would ban all public displays of the mainstream religion. They are not worthy of us for the evils you indicate are within those religions. Regards DL
  8. Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. If you cannot refute that statement, then you are not taking a moral position and would try to profit from the punishment of the innocent instead of you, the guilty. Do not stop that though, because that immoral belief of yours is what will kill Christianity. Are we not all sons of God? If you had two sons, would you punish the innocent one while allowing the guilty one to not get justice? Regards DL
  9. I agree with the first part but not the last. I take it from what you say overall that you have read the gospel of the serpent. Good for you. It is an eye opener. Regards DL
  10. What is hell or even the threat of that mythical and imaginary place if not God using force? Why do you follow a God or religion that is demonstrably immoral? Both God and man put punishments but secular law is demonstrably better than God or heavens law. Regards DL Secular law has shown itself to be superior to religious laws. That secular law is the foundation of our civilization and not religious laws that we have rejected as immoral. Regards DL
  11. The point is, that secular, mans law, has shown itself to be more just than all other laws that religions have on offer. Agree, or make your argument to refute this. Regards DL
  12. That looks like a lot of assumptions. Do you have any facts to show us? Regards DL
  13. Three perspectives on why man is God’s master. Perspective 1. Has man forgotten his rightful place as God’s master? A theology makes you a slave to your God while the Jesus that Gnostic Christians follow has man take his rightful place as God’s master. After all, all the Gods are man-made. That is why Gnostic Christianity has always put man ahead of God. The Karaite Jews have that view as well as their oral tradition can overrule the written Torah and God himself, showing how old this tradition or ideology is. It seems that without the lie of a supernatural God, people are not willing to have a man be God the way the ancients used to do. Emperors used to name themselves God and their sons, sons of God. One of the Jesus' that the church did not silence, tells us that that is the right way to think when he said, instead of stoning people on the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. I extrapolate from that, that Jesus would also say that religions and gods were made for man and not man for religions. Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Yee are gods? ----------------------------------------- Perspective 2. Does the Bible show that our next God is a Man? The Bible states that when Jesus returns, his elect will make themselves known and elect him to rule over them. The Bible states that our new Jesus will not be recognizable and he will be elected by his Words. Remember that the story tellers, in one of the sequels, have named Jesus. --- The Word. The Abrahamic Karaite oral tradition is that Rabbis, men generally, can overrule the written Word of God. In real language, this means that the interpretation of words and terms is to always be governed by men of the Divine Council and their elected God. The voice of a man, to the Bible, --- is supreme and above God’s written words. That is as it should be as nature makes the ideal of all species to be one of their own. If a God cannot be or is not in our true image, then God is not worthy of us. This is the logic and reason why the rule of man over written tradition must be supreme. Anything else would be humankind giving up our natures for the nature of an alien form. God forbid. More directly to the question. The Bible states that we are to kill witches. This, at that time, meant that men were not to let themselves be fooled by magicians or alchemists and other tricksters who might deceive them. This meant that nothing magical or supernatural, no magician doing illusions, etc., should be put above the spoken word. The policy of the Divine Council was to rule by the tenet called the Golden Rule. The Rabbi class thus had the final say in all religious and political matters. The Divine Council would choose whom to anoint and follow as their Prophet/God/King. Does this ultimately show that God was a man to the Jews who wrote the Bible? Is that why they were so unafraid to change Gods name so often? Where Jews the first atheists? Closely followed by the Gnostic that had used Jewry as a springboard to their better Universalist creed? Is that why Rome hated Jews and Gnostic Christian? If the Jews interpreted the word God as a man, the way the old Roman emperors did, then was placing a supernatural God up in heaven a poor theological position for us today. ---------------------------------------- Perspective 3. Does as above so below mean that God must abide by man’s laws? Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesars. Caesar makes the laws we live by and no religion is true to the laws set out by their Gods. Thank God as those laws are quite barbaric. For example, both Yahweh and Allah, through the mouths of men, promote stoning for adultery and sundry other sins. This of course ignores that both Gods show justice as being close to an eye for an eye which is what secular laws try to gauge punishment by. There is a military term that says that the pace to be set by the troops is as fast as the slowest man. This is so that no man is left behind. Since we have collectively decided that secular law is superior to the laws of heaven and God, does that mean that when Jesus return, he will validate secular law and ask us to follow Caesar? Regards DL
  14. Those with new ideas usually say that they were from their own minds. Your strokes are way to braud when speaking of minorities.That aside. As to Akasha, have a look at this discussion on the latest science. I think that Dr. Michael Persinger is on the right track in finding our cosmic consciousness. The problem I see with contact with any mind or consciousness, --- and knowing where it is, --- is that from within it, one cannot tell where it is or even if it is only our own minds or consciousness filling in the blanks with what we want to believe. Without outside verification, even a real experience cannot be proven. Regards DL
  15. This sounds really delusional but I am willing to see your evidence so please give some. Regards DL