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How do you or would you deal with someone who is talking about your religion in a negative light?

Would you confront them or ignore them?

 

How I deal with them depends on the circumstances and my energy level. Usually, I just ignore people who do this, but I have been known to respind with something about freedom of religion or the misogyny their religion clings to. I love telling most folk that without witches, there would be no science.

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How do you or would you deal with someone who is talking about your religion in a negative light?

Would you confront them or ignore them?

So long as they're not violating your rights, they're well justified in whatever they chose to say. This is the price of the first amendment, as it is there to protect unpopular speech. The impetus is on the individual to be mature. You need not engage in any conversation you dislike, though you would be foolish to shy away from validating your beliefs through the furnace of scrutiny. Christians in particular seem to have difficulty with the notion that every television comes with an off button and society does not owe them any respect. If you dislike the scrutiny, don't engage in it. There's plenty of room for everyone to enjoy a peaceful afternoon out there.

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I genuinely dont mind what peoples religion is and I'm happy for them to practise it. What bothers me is when they try and run my life by its rules. The west is by and large a secular being and it should stay that way. We have enough interference from the state without religion sticking its robe in.

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I know there are so many religions out there. And there are so many varing opinions. But to belittle someone or hurt there feelings is unacceptable. We should all try to show tolerance for one another. If you cannot accept or agree with someone elses beliefs then do not bring it up or say anything at all.

 

Ideally, if we had enough of an open mind we could at least listen to what others have to say. And even if we don't agree with it at least we will have learned something new. After all knowledge prevents so much misunderstanding and misconceptions.

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I don't deal with confrontation. So, if someone was being negative about my religion then I would kill them with kindness, and inquire about why they are talking about my religion from a negative standpoint. Once that is accomplished, I will go as far as educating them on the things that they do no know about my religion. Normally, people speak negatively on things they don't know anything about. They probably heard one thing about it then decided to dislike it when checking their resources. I hate that people are like this but what can we do but try to educate the ignorant. 

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 I tend to keep my mouth pretty shut as far as religion. I won't spit on yours as long as you don't spit on my beliefs, and even then, I like to listen to what people say and take their words into consideration.

 

I don't like the negative people that always shoot down other people. It's like "Oh my gosh, let these people think what they want and believe what they want. It won't hurt you.

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If someone does not like my religion, which happens quite a lot, as I'm a panthiest, I really don't feel anything.  The way I look at it, it works really well for me.  It's spiritual, it soothes me, I feel cool with it, so I'm fine.  I can think that there are problems with people who do not feel secure with their beliefs. I think the less secure that you feel, the absolutely worse it can be for you, you will always be looking for people to validate your beliefs for you.

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The largest religious group, Christians, in very subtle ways belittle every religion except their own. Actually, Fundamentalist Christians will often disparage Moderate or Contemporary Christians, and Moderates and Fundamentalists have a very low regard for other factions of Christianity, especially against the Jehovah's Witness sect.

In conversation, most Christians will give you his version of, "to each his own," regarding other religious beliefs, but come right back with a snide remark such as, "that's going to be between you and God on judgment day." "Judgment Day" is primarily a Christian/Islamic concept, not all religions believe in a day of judgment. Or the Christian will say something like, "I understand what you're saying, I'm only going by what it says in the bible." The Bible is only one of a long list of holy books. There's the Analects, Veda, Bhagavad Gita, Torah, Talmud, Factors, Tao-te-ching, Qur'an, and a slew of other "holy books" inspired by a particular God.

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I'm not religious. I grew up Catholic, but I left the Church several years ago. It really doesn't bother me when people don't share my same beliefs. To each his or her. If someone is continuously negative, then I just remove them from my life. Life is too short to be stressed out.

 

I agree 100%. I didn't grow up Catholic, but was made to go to church all the time as a child. I stopped going in my teens when I started questioning things I was told at church. People are not going to agree on everything, and this includes religions. People should not let others different beliefs bother them. After all, that is why people came here to begin with, to have the freedoms to choose to worship as they pleased.

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There are some negative people in this forum, and other forums. Instead of participating in civilized, healthy debate, they resort to name-calling and Ad Hominem arguments. An "argumentum ad hominem" is an argument that criticizes an idea by attacking the person, rather than directly addressing the actual forum topic.

''Ad hominem'' is a Latin phrase that means, "directed toward the man," as opposed to debating the issue; you're "playing the man and not the ball." Ad hominem attacks are self-defeating because it's an indirect, cheesy way of backing out of the argument because the perpetrator has no intelligent response.

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Fraud should be the assumed cause of any report on most Christian claims that suggest there is truth in their scriptures. Even Christians like tentmaker.org are getting fed up with it.

"The following is an expose of W.A.R., Wyatt Archaeological Research and Ron Wyatt.

Since the magazine "Dew from Mount Hermon" published the article "A Great Christian Scam" exposing the so-called discoveries of Ron Wyatt as nothing more than a great hoax perpetrated upon the Christian community for money and fame, Joel Davenport, the manager of WAR's Internet site has published an article located at their web site accusing me, Gary Amirault, of not telling the truth. In the article I did not disclose the names of my sources since the article only went to a few hundred subscribers who trusted my reporting. I didn't feel providing names and addresses was necessary. But since Mr. Davenport's extremely distorted assessment of the accuracy of "A Great Christian Scam," and since WAR and associates are continuing to defraud the Christian community by selling videos, books, speaking engagements, trips to Israel, enticing investors in further digs, etc., all based upon discoveries which were never made, I feel it is time to lay out enough evidence to make it perfectly clear to any sane individual that we are dealing here with nothing short of an outright scam.

I have telephone interviewed most of the people on WAR's Noah's Ark video. Not one single person I spoke with on that video presently believes that Ron Wyatt's site is Noah's Ark. Some are outraged that Wyatt is still using film clips which make them look like they are substantiating Wyatt's claims when, in fact, the opposite is the case. Listed below are some of the individuals who appear on the video. Compare the story WAR continues to sell with the actual words written by the scientists after doing extensive research on the site. They no longer believe it is Noah's Ark. They believe it is a natural geological formation. As to the so-called discoveries on Ron Wyatt's video entitled "Presentation of Discoveries," those interviewed whom Ron Wyatt presented with his "facts" put little or no archaeological value on any of the material. "Fraud" was the word most often used when discussing these so-called discoveries. Read the letters from archaeologists within Ron Wyatt's own denomination, Seventh Day Adventist, and you will see that even those who would have an interest in substantiating Ron Wyatt's claims find little or no scientific evidence to support any of these discoveries.

As to Ron Wyatt's organization being non-profit and as such having no investors, I spoke to businessmen and television producers who have invested money into Wyatt Archaeological Research for television rights. There have been many tens of thousands of dollars invested in WAR. To date, none of those who invested this money has seen a shred of scientific evidence substantiating Ron Wyatt's claims. Where is the report from the blood sample analysis of what Ron claims is the blood of Jesus Christ? Where is the Ark of the Covenant? Which museum is housing the ancient chariot wheels he claimed to have been from the Red Sea Crossing? There is no evidence because the video is a fraud. On the Noah's Ark video, all the so-called scientific data cannot be duplicated, a clear sign that what was given the labs was false data. (Read John Baumgarten's and Tom Fenner's letter)

In summary, "A Great Christian Scam" was written to warn the readership of "Dew from Mount Hermon" magazine of Ron Wyatt's deception. That was as far as I planned to tell the story. Since the story appeared on the Internet, we have received many inquiries from many Christian organizations asking for more information. Since Joel Davenport has chosen to publish a very misleading article written to discredit my article, I felt it necessary to release further documentation of the overwhelming evidence against WAR's claims of the greatest archaeological discoveries of all time. Read the letters. Write or call some of them. Those professionals who have seen the evidence (or lack thereof) and those who have had dealings with Ron Wyatt will make it plain to anyone that WAR's discoveries are hoaxes.

Since this report has been published, Ron Wyatt died. Yet there are many individuals who are promoting Ron Wyatt's claims. Here are a few such individuals: Jim and Penny Caldwell, Richard Rives, Pinkowski, Mary Nell Wyatt, John McCoy, Bill Fry, Kevin Fisher, Jonathan Gray, Rebecca Samsing, Lenneri Moller and Henry Gruver, and Jim Bakker.

For other reports on Wyatt Archaeological Research see the following Internet sites:

Christian Information Ministries
Bill Crouse, President
Christian Information Ministries

Creation Magazine
Amazing Ark Expose'
Andrew A. Snelling PhD. Geology
Answers in Genesis"

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I don't deal with confrontation. So, if someone was being negative about my religion then I would kill them with kindness, and inquire about why they are talking about my religion from a negative standpoint. Once that is accomplished, I will go as far as educating them on the things that they do no know about my religion. Normally, people speak negatively on things they don't know anything about. They probably heard one thing about it then decided to dislike it when checking their resources. I hate that people are like this but what can we do but try to educate the ignorant. 

Sure - and I am the son of god too.

You cannot possibly educate others when you are so ignorant as to believe any scripture or religion.

 

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