The Next Pope Is Gonna Be Black This Time


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Ah, no wonder you are jaded with this whole anomaly regarding priests. I have the same views too that most of them are either greedy, gay or straight lecherous hypocrites, but it didn't really made me change my mind regarding what I learned about Christ and Mama Mary and all that Catholic stuff that were taught to us. Because they are just men, and they certainly don't represent the teachings of the Lord per se, so I remained a Catholic. Which religion did you switch to nowadays?

 

My leaving the Catholic Church had nothing to do with the molestation of boys. I was 18 years old when I left and I didn't know about the kids. I'm really glad that I didn't know. I decide to leave the Church as a child. My family is still Catholic though. I didn't leave God, I just left the Catholic Church.

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I don't care what color the next pope will be...I am just wondering if he is going to be pre or post senility age!

I don't really buy into all this fear mongering about the  next Pope,I've heard it too. I don't think the dissolution of the catholic church would be the event to commence the new world order, it's al

Amen! Women can't even serve as priest. So there's no way a woman could even be pope because the future pope has to rise through the ranks to become an archbishop.       I attend services every Sunday

My leaving the Catholic Church had nothing to do with the molestation of boys. I was 18 years old when I left and I didn't know about the kids. I'm really glad that I didn't know. I decide to leave the Church as a child. My family is still Catholic though. I didn't leave God, I just left the Catholic Church.

 

I see, I think I can understand that type of belief. I believe in God too, but I don't go to church anymore and my family does not go to church either, although we still consider ourselves to be Catholics.

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As I just said in another topic you are all missing the major corner stone of Christianity, forgiveness and the fact that no one should judge someone else except Jesus.

 

How could one priest ever say to another, "I have been sleeping with children, but I have been asking forgiveness in my prayers and i think with Jesus's help I can get over it"  and that other priest then turn him in?  If you believe in the christian way, which as priests they do, then you would have to believe that this is gods plan, and that the other priest will be judged by god alone.

 

I'm not sure I understand this. I don't want to jump to conclusion. What do you mean by God's plan? 

 

To my mind, the phrase "sleeping with" implies the act was consensual. Forgiveness is one thing, but turning a blind eye is another. Many of these priest were shuffled around to different parishes where they continued to molest children.They stole children's innocence and ruined families.

 

Honestly, I think pedophiles sought out the Catholic Church. It was a like a %^&$ smorgasbord for them. Yea, this topic gets under my skin.

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Yeah as if. Don't think we'll ever see a black or woman pope. Why would a misogynist, homophobic religious institution do that anyways?

 

Amen! Women can't even serve as priest. So there's no way a woman could even be pope because the future pope has to rise through the ranks to become an archbishop.

 

 

I see, I think I can understand that type of belief. I believe in God too, but I don't go to church anymore and my family does not go to church either, although we still consider ourselves to be Catholics.

 

I attend services every Sunday and most time on Wednesdays. It's a non-denominational church.  Most of my family who are still Catholics don't attend services either. ;)

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Amen! Women can't even serve as priest. So there's no way a woman could even be pope because the future pope has to rise through the ranks to become an archbishop.

Yep. Most churchgoers don't care either, and most of them whom I know  are still stuck in the "women's place is in the kitchen" mode. Some of the stuff I've heard them say  <_< No wonder why misogyny is still rampant.

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Yep. Most churchgoers don't care either, and most of them whom I know  are still stuck in the "women's place is in the kitchen" mode. Some of the stuff I've heard them say  <_< No wonder why misogyny is still rampant.

 

Most of the Catholics that I know want changes including my family. I live in a progressive area. But I do foresee any meaningful changes by the Catholic Church in my lifetime.

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I have heard the same rumor... this would not surprise me the least. We do have a black president and why not try to have a black pope. There needs to be a time where change is accepted and not frowned upon. I really don't care what race he is or even if the pope is a female (which I highly doubt). I just want to know that some of the bad things that are happening in the world will change because of this quote unquote new pope. 

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Amen! Women can't even serve as priest. So there's no way a woman could even be pope because the future pope has to rise through the ranks to become an archbishop.

 

 

I attend services every Sunday and most time on Wednesdays. It's a non-denominational church.  Most of my family who are still Catholics don't attend services either. ;)

 

I see, it's nice to know that you still attend services, shame on me that I don't, yet I still consider myself as a Catholic.  :D But that's what I love about being a Catholic, you're not really required to go to church every Sunday, unlike other religions that impose you to go to Church religiously without fail every week.  :)

 

I have heard the same rumor... this would not surprise me the least. We do have a black president and why not try to have a black pope. There needs to be a time where change is accepted and not frowned upon. I really don't care what race he is or even if the pope is a female (which I highly doubt). I just want to know that some of the bad things that are happening in the world will change because of this quote unquote new pope. 

 

Yeah why haven't I thought of Obama? Black people are respected nowadays as compared to the 60's era if I'm not mistaken where they were ostracized by the white people. So it's definitely possible to have a black pope. And from the looks of it, those bad things that you have mentioned have already been predicted in the bible, so let's just brace ourselves for the worst.  :o

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Maybe the best thing that could ever happen would be the dissolusion of the Catholic Church.  All the greed, power, and political games. Bravo if once and for all it came to an end!  Not to mention the horrendous and very much covered up molestations. I have absolutely no respect for the Catholic religion, or their pope. How can anyone look at the sickening display of wealth surrounding the Vatican and not question it! What is wrong with this picture! Who cares if the next pope is black, polish, hispanic, or a trained monkey.  This has nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with politics and greed for money.

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I agree with everything that you said, I was watching the news earlier and it summarizes the controversies that Pope Benedict has faced, and it's sickening. The Vatican is like the religious counterpart of dirty politics! Anyway, the new pope has just been announced, and he is from Argentina! So is the prediction wrong or something might come up in the future that will eventually pave the way for a black pope to be in the Vatican? Let's just wait and see, at least the dissolution of the Catholic Church will not be in the immediate future.

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Well, I'd take a white male pope too, if only he was less of a bigot. Looks like this one's not any better either, read some scathing comments he made on gay marriage today. I don't see a dissolution anywhere near in the future, but I hope it happens for the sake of humanity. It's a cancerous polyp growing on the anus of humanity.

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Yeah, and from a Hispanic country too. If I'm not mistaken, Hispanic people are also prone to being discriminated, so it's definitely a good start. Regarding the new pope bashing gay marriage, I think it's more like a generation thing, and considering their age, they're more likely to be less open to these modern ideas. Plus all popes have been known to be strictly conservative, so it's not surprising that they will oppose it. I'd be more surprised if a pope was supporting abortion and gay marriage.  :D

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I think choosing a pope from South America was a good decision. The Catholic Church is still very strong and growing there. This pope was born in Argentina, but his parents immigrated from Italy. So he still has European roots. ;)

 

Yes, he's a traditionalist. I would be shocked if any pope would come out for abortion and gay marriage, but I would love to see the discrimination of women would come to an end.

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It would make more sense that the next Pope be a Latino to solidify the CC in the Americas. Or perhaps Irish, that would be interesting.

 

Probably uncool to quote yourself but I guessed right! A Latino Pope could unify many divergent factions in the CC.

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@ R. Zimm, is Ireland a pre-dominantly Catholic country? I didn't know that. Anyway, Latin people are staunch Catholics, so I hope that the new pope isn't corrupt like the others before him.@ John Mexico, that's what I thought too, but who knows, maybe in the future they will be open to it.

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Where people get the idea that President Obama is a socialist just beats the heck out of me. The stock market is headed to 15k, businnesses are pulling in record profits, the middle class is sufferibg from losing their wealth and from low wages. Where the heck is the socialism? It does not exist in any form or fashion. Give it up.

So much for the white Pope. Pope Francis is from Latin America. Nice change. Very humble man. I doubt very much that they will ever choose a black man.

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Where people get the idea that President Obama is a socialist just beats the heck out of me. The stock market is headed to 15k, businnesses are pulling in record profits, the middle class is sufferibg from losing their wealth and from low wages. Where the heck is the socialism? It does not exist in any form or fashion. Give it up.

So much for the white Pope. Pope Francis is from Latin America. Nice change. Very humble man. I doubt very much that they will ever choose a black man.

 I don't understand where the socialist things come from. There has always been some socialist aspects of our society. I really just don't get it.

 

The United States is changing. Some people are afraid of that change. This "socialist"  label is one way of dealing with the change. But the changes are not gonna stop. They people who can't adapt will be left behind.

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The Catholic church will never be ready for a black pope. 

 

Who knows, there were those who believed that the United States would never be ready for a black president.  Well, we all know that came to pass for better or for worse.  As for the Catholic church I think they made the right choice for the changing times.  As some of have pointed out Latinos make up a large amount of the followers of this religion.  So, appointed a Latin American Pope for the first time actually made sense.  As for the type of man he is, from what I have heard he's pretty humble.  Lives in a simple apartment, wants to take the bus (won't go over too well with security) and seems to be a champion of the poor. Only time will tell what type of Pope he will make.

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Well lets just hope that there won't be any controversy about him, whether it was before or after he became pope, because we all know that some popes sure do have a lot of skeletons in their closet, like Pope Benedict.

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No deepthroat, Obama only gave small businesses 17 tax cuts, gave the middle class a break in their payroll taxes for at least two years, Helped to increase the parity of women's pay with men and about 200 or more items which he did to help the country which you obviously know nothing about. Also stopped the bleeding of 750,000 jobs a  month to 32 or more months of positive job growth. You folks only see what you want to see positive about President Obama, which is nothing. Wonder why? 

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The so-called, "Infallible Pope", whether black or white, is part of the biggest con in human history. What difference does it make what color he is? As we now know, Pope Francis is the 266th pope, a white guy, but again, his color does not matter.

I just came across a very interesting definition of Papal infallibility.

 

It is defined as "a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error." The promise Jesus made is stated in Matthew 16:18, "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

 

So if Jesus, the cornerstone and foundation of the Christian faith, signifies that the "Pope is preserved from the possibility of error", there is certainly a fly in the ointment of Christianity. By now, we know the popes have been a long, long, way from perfect. Sure, no humans are perfect, but your common, ordinary human being is not ordained to be infallible, the pope is. However, some of these men have been the most evil among us.

 

Let's take a look at some of these "infallible men" ...

  • Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503) - organized and participated in the "worst orgy ever in the Vatican." He had sex with promiscuous women while unwed and sworn to celibacy and a life devoted to God. Was known to fornicate regularly with his two sisters and his own daughter.
     
  • Pope Damasus I (366-384) - women and children were bought and sold as sex slaves to increase funding for the church at Damasus's design. Anyone who opposed Pope Damasus tyrannical rule would be tortured and burned alive. Get this, these were men beyond EVIL. There were forty-four bishops who abhorred the acts of Pope Damasus I and had found him guilty of adultery on many counts. Unfortunately, the office of the Pope was a strong central figurehead and Pope Damasus I weaseled his way through being convicted of the crimes that he was known to commit on a regular basis. After the charges had passed, all forty-four bishops were murdered at the order of Damasus I. What could be done? Nothing. Damasus I was also the first among Popes to instill the concept that the papacy was a supreme office of God, using the Petrine text in the Holy book of Matthew to support his claims. The Petrine Primacy is the doctrine held by some Christians - especially Roman Catholics - that Simon Peter was the most prominent of the Twelve Apostles. They believe he had been distinguished by Jesus of Nazareth to hold the first place of honor and authority.
     
  • Pope Benedict IX (1032-1048) - nephew to two previous Popes that resided in the Vatican, Pope Benedict IX was mentioned in the Catholic Encyclopedia as "a disgrace to the chair of Peter." "He raped the office of Pope in every way he could from murder to adultery and just about all else." Because of the horrible things he did, the people literally drove him out of Rome. His violent and sexual crimes were committed in broad daylight. Roman Emperor Conrad II would later reinstate Benedict IX despite his atrocious crimes.
     
  • Pope Pius IX (1846-1878) - First, Pius IX resided in the Vatican as Pope between the years 1846-1878. Second, there was a direct correlation between his constant scheming within the realm of politics and the assassination of President Abraham Lincoln. Both funding for and the mission plan itself made its way from the papal office, through hands undisclosed to eventually meet with John Wilkes Booth who shot Lincoln dead on April 15th, 1865 at the Ford Theater in Washington D.C. Despite popular belief, Lincoln died as a result of orders from the Roman Catholic Church – not a fanatical maniac who really wanted his slaves. Lincoln printed 400 million dollars worth of "Greenbacks", debt-free, interest free money to finance the War, Lincoln was assassinated shortly after the War ended and Congress revoked the Green-back law and enacted the "National Banking Act" which consisted of privately owned banks with interest-bearing notes.
     
  • Pope Urban II (1088-1099) - Between the years 1096-1099 Pope Urban II ordered the slaughter of roughly ten million people where there were men and women but mostly children in efforts to procure Belgrade, the Orthodox Church of Constantinople in Yugoslavia as well as Turkey, Syria, Antioch and Palestine.
     
  • Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) - Pope Innocent III didn’t reach the epic numbers of slaughters that his predecessor Urban II had, but he still murdered well over one million people during his papacy between 1198-1216. The Crusade he waged after supporting the Inquisition was not against typical heretics, Pope Innocent III had his military might wage war against European brothers. He also began a Crusade against the Albigenses where upon his military constituents were ordered to butcher them by the tens of thousands in horrid and unholy ways. Albigensian Crusade or Cathar Crusade (1209–1229) was a 20-year military campaign initiated by Innocent III to eliminate Catharism in Languedoc, in the south of France.
     
  • Pope Boniface VIII (1294-1303) - Again a Pope that was so evil that he made it into the Catholic encyclopedia for his grave injustices against the people and his God. Boniface VIII was described in the Catholic encyclopedia as having, “scarcely any possible crime omitted – heresy gross and unnatural immorality, idolatry, magic, simony… his whole pontificate was one record of evil.” Boniface VIII was a self-proclaimed Atheist. He didn’t even BELIEVE in God yet he somehow managed to obtain the position of Pope. In 1302, Boniface VIII instituted a commonly quoted misconception of Christianity (thanks) called “Unum Sanctum” where through no faiths but that of the Catholic faith were to be saved come the day of Judgment by Christ. All outside of the Holy Roman Catholic Church were to be damned eternally in the pits of Hell.
     
  • Pope John XXIII (1410-1415, not to be confused with Pope John XXIII of the 20th century) - Why people called this man the most depraved criminal who sat on the papal chair rather than calling him the most depraved criminal of all time may never be understood. Perhaps it was simply because they didn’t understand the scope of his evil. This “man” if you can call him that, committed almost every heinous crime imaginable – by the hundred. There were thirty-seven clergy members who witnessed and professed against him on the following charges: Fornication, Adultery, Incest, Sodomy, Simony, Theft, and last but not least, Murder. Even more members of the church than the thirty-seven who had accused him had been witnesses to the gut-wrenching fact that Pope John XXIII had a harem of mistresses in Boulogne numbering two-hundred. Even more disgusting yet was the fact that these two-hundred women consisted mostly, if not entirely of nuns.
     
  • Pope Pius XII (1939-1958), aka "Hitler's Pope" - Pope Pius XII came into power over the Vatican not long after his predecessor Pius who supplied the orders to kill Lincoln. Again, take careful note of the era during which Pius XII held the Chair of Peter – it was 1939 to 1958. Well, if anyone had ever been curious as to why exactly Hitler got the notion that Jews were to be exterminated by the millions between 1939 – 1945, it may have had something to do with the fact that Pope Pius XII personally handed him detailed instructions on how the methodical extermination of non-Catholic minorities across all of Europe was to be enacted and how death camps were to be constructed for the sole purpose of their murder. According to Pius XII, people of Jewish faith and other “heretics” were not only supposed to be shot or killed, they were to be burned alive as to stay consistent with the Roman Catholic Church’s designated penalty for heresy against God.

This is a very brief history of the Roman Catholic Church and the office of the Papacy, and the list could certainly include Pope Benedict XVI (2005-2013), who covered up numerous child sexual abuse complaints. Any sane man, black, white, or brown, unless he's hungry for power, should want any parts of the papacy. Especially a black man, because if he does anything on the aforementioned list, he'll probably be the first Pope to be imprisoned.

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I just came across a very interesting definition of Papal infallibility.

 

It is defined as "a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error." The promise Jesus made is stated in Matthew 16:18, "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

False.

The Pope himself is not believed to be infallible. Just his official dogmatic declarations as they relate to Church docterine.

Papal infallibility is a dogma of the Catholic Church which states that, in virtue of the promise of Jesus to Peter, the Pope is preserved from the possibility of error "when, in the exercise of his office as shepherd and teacher of all Christians, in virtue of his supreme apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine concerning faith or morals to be held by the whole Church" - Vatican 1 (http://www.ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.htm#6)

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