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Do we owe Muslims another apology?

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Do we owe Muslims another apology?

 

This link says yes.

http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz-on-islamic-reform

 

This link says no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM

 

To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo

 

I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.

 

Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?

 

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

 

Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?

 

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

 

Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8

 

Regards

DL

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22 hours ago, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

Do we owe Muslims another apology?

An "apology" is an expression of regret or remorse, which if genuine cannot be said or considered to be "owed" to anyone; and often as not at the same time there is a subtle acquiescence in the perceived necessity of the wrongdoing in which one is engaged, and an unwillingness to change that conduct or right those wrongs one has inflicted and continues to inflict upon the person to whom one is apologizing.

King Herod certainly "apologized" and was very sorry, but he nonetheless ordered John the Baptist's head on a platter at the request of the whore whose daughter danced before him.  

22 hours ago, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.

To the extent that we separate good from bad, that is the job of a criminal justice system in which religion of any sort is not a valid consideration.  It is not and cannot be our job as humans to impose divine judgment and eternal punishment from a temporal judgment seat, whether it is Shari`a Law or some other non-Muslim religious law being imposed or enforced in the flesh and blood.

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3 hours ago, F-16 said:

An "apology" is an expression of regret or remorse, which if genuine cannot be said or considered to be "owed" to anyone; and often as not at the same time there is a subtle acquiescence in the perceived necessity of the wrongdoing in which one is engaged, and an unwillingness to change that conduct or right those wrongs one has inflicted and continues to inflict upon the person to whom one is apologizing.

King Herod certainly "apologized" and was very sorry, but he nonetheless ordered John the Baptist's head on a platter at the request of the whore whose daughter danced before him.  

To the extent that we separate good from bad, that is the job of a criminal justice system in which religion of any sort is not a valid consideration.  It is not and cannot be our job as humans to impose divine judgment and eternal punishment from a temporal judgment seat, whether it is Shari`a Law or some other non-Muslim religious law being imposed or enforced in the flesh and blood.

Am I reading you right?

You would turn a blind eye to female genital mutilation and Honor killings. Right?

 

Regards

DL

1 hour ago, Shekinah said:

Nothing divine about any religion and wise humans condemn the whole concept of using faith as a tool to subjugate humanity. Faith and $5.00 will get you a cup of coffee........maybe.

Indeed. Faith without facts is for fools.

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DL

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23 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

You would turn a blind eye to female genital mutilation

That's not acceptable, and neither is male genital mutilation. Those who can't keep the knife away from a baby's genital organs need to be run out of town and put to death, and those institutions of evil need to be eradicated from the face of the earth.

25 minutes ago, Gnostic Christian Bishop said:

and Honor killings. Right?

That is not right, either. But it happens plenty of times in the U.S. Murder by any means other than firearms, arranged "accident", poison, any remotely plausible cover-up... It all appears to be totally acceptable for the coroners and medical examiners. The authorities don't look twice at dead bodies or "investigate" deaths -- good grief, they gotta keep their nose clean like everybody else. You don't go off "investigating" that kind of stuff when you work for city hall or the governement.

They just want to take our guns away and lock us up. They don't care about probable cause, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, or any of that stuff.

You gotta gun, you need to be locked up. That is the only law that is enforced in the U.S. There is, in effect, no law against premeditated murder. Mens rea, actus reus, the lawyers don't care about that shit anymore. Where have you been hiding?

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21 minutes ago, F-16 said:

That's not acceptable, and neither is male genital mutilation. Those who can't keep the knife away from a baby's genital organs need to be run out of town and put to death, and those institutions of evil need to be eradicated from the face of the earth.

That is not right, either. But it happens plenty of times in the U.S. Murder by any means other than firearms, arranged "accident", poison, any remotely plausible cover-up... It all appears to be totally acceptable for the coroners and medical examiners. The authorities don't look twice at dead bodies or "investigate" deaths -- good grief, they gotta keep their nose clean like everybody else. You don't go off "investigating" that kind of stuff when you work for city hall or the governement.

They just want to take our guns away and lock us up. They don't care about probable cause, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, or any of that stuff.

You gotta gun, you need to be locked up. That is the only law that is enforced in the U.S. There is, in effect, no law against premeditated murder. Mens rea, actus reus, the lawyers don't care about that shit anymore. Where have you been hiding?

So you would be pro-active then against evil. Good.

That is not what I read into your first.

As to your legal system, and political system, I agree that it is screwed.

If the people are to just live with them, then that in on the people and not on those who profit from a sloth and immoral population.

Regards

DL

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